der CK Wert hat sich wieder beruhigt, dürfte eine Alltagsfliege gewesen sein, sieht derzeit zumindest so aus, und ich nehme ncihts ein, weiß auch gar nicht was "Statine" sind.
für eine Lösung wäre ich dankbar
lg
Ah ok, schade, hätte das interessant gefunden und es hätte ja auch für dich eine Lösung sein können. Ich gehöre zur seltenen Gruppe derer, die genetisch bedingt schlechte Cholesterinwerte haben, obwohl sie vegetarisch essen und viel Sport machen. Durch gabe von Statinen, welche die Werte verbessern, wird aber auch gleichzeitig die Neubildung quergestreifter Muskulatur gehemmt, wodurch ich bald an allen Ecken und Enden Muskelprobleme bekam. Kaum hatte ich das Zeug abgesetzt, gings wieder.
Was dir noch helfen könnte: Bevor wir das rausfanden, war ich damals bei einem Orthopäden, der selbst Triathlon gemacht hat und auch viel Erfahrung mit Tris hatte, hat wohl ne Zeit lang welche betreut. Seine Aussage war, dass bei vielen Triathleten falscherweise ein Piriformissyndrom diagnostiziert wird, obwohl sie eigentlich eher Probleme mit dem Gluteus Minimus und anderen kleineren Muskeln in dem Bereich haben, ausgelöst durch die Doppelbelastung vom Laufen und Radfahren. Das müsse dann vom Manualtherapeuten regelrecht rausgeknetet werden, dehnen sei eher kontraproduktiv, weil man,solange die Muskeln noch verhärtet sind, nur an den Sehnenansätzen reißt und diese weiter reizt.
So, mehr weiß ich auch nicht, vielleicht ist ja eine Anregung dabei...
Das Problem ist ich "trau" mich nichts mehr machen, da die Angst es zu verschlechtern schon sehr groß ist, Verzweiflung ist groß.
Ruhe ist auch nicht die Lösung wie ich immer mehr merke, vielleicht sollte ich einmal Massagen versuchen wobei diese auch den Muskel stressen werden.....
Klar, musst du natürlich selber wissen. Aber dir sei hiermit nochmal die Ostheopatie ans Herz gelegt. War da am Anfang sehr skeptisch, wurde positiv überrascht.
Ah ok, schade, hätte das interessant gefunden und es hätte ja auch für dich eine Lösung sein können. Ich gehöre zur seltenen Gruppe derer, die genetisch bedingt schlechte Cholesterinwerte haben, obwohl sie vegetarisch essen und viel Sport machen.
Oder WEIL?
Zitat:
MYTH #6: Saturated fats and dietary cholesterol cause heart disease, atherosclerosis, and/or cancer, and low-fat, low-cholesterol diets are healthier for people.
This, too, is not a specific vegetarian myth. Nevertheless, people are often urged to take up a vegetarian or vegan diet because it is believed that such diets offer protection against heart disease and cancer since they are lower or lacking in animal foods and fats.
Although it is commonly believed that saturated fats and dietary cholesterol "clog arteries" and cause heart disease, such ideas have been shown to be false by such scientists as Linus Pauling, Russell Smith, George Mann, John Yudkin, Abram Hoffer, Mary Enig, Uffe Ravnskov and other prominent researchers (50). On the contrary, studies have shown that arterial plaque is primarily composed of unsaturated fats, particularly polyunsaturated ones, and not the saturated fat of animals, palm or coconut (51).
Trans-fatty acids, as opposed to saturated fats, have been shown by researchers such as Enig, Mann and Fred Kummerow to be causative factors in accelerated atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease, cancer and other ailments (52). Trans-fatty acids are found in such modern foods as margarine and vegetable shortening and foods made with them. Enig and her colleagues have also shown that excessive omega-6 polyunsaturated fatty acid intake from refined vegetable oils is also a major culprit behind cancer and heart disease, not animal fats.
A recent study of thousands of Swedish women supported Enig’s conclusions and data, and showed no correlation between saturated fat consumption and increased risk for breast cancer. However, the study did show,as did Enig’s work, a strong link between vegetable oil intake and higher breast cancer rates (53).
The major population studies that supposedly prove the theory that animal fats and cholesterol cause heart disease actually do not upon closer inspection. The Framingham Heart Study is often cited as proof that dietary cholesterol and saturated fat intake cause heart disease and ill health. Involving about 6,000 people, the study compared two groups over several years at five-year intervals. One group consumed little cholesterol and saturated fat, while the other consumed high amounts. Surprisingly, Dr William Castelli, the study's director, said:
In Framingham, Mass., the more saturated fat one ate, the more cholesterol one ate, the more calories one ate, the lower the person's serum cholesterol ... we found that the people who ate the most cholesterol, ate the most saturated fat, [and] ate the most calories, weighed the least and were the most physically active. (54)
The Framingham data did show that subjects who had higher cholesterol levels and weighed more ran a slightly higher chance for coronary heart disease. But weight gain and serum cholesterol levels had an inverse correlation with dietary fat and cholesterol intake. In other words, there was no correlation at all (55).
In a similar vein, the US Multiple Risk Factor Intervention Trial, sponsored by the National Heart and Lung Institute, compared mortality rates and eating habits of 12,000+ men. Those who ate less saturated fat and cholesterol showed a slightly reduced rate of heart disease, but had an overall mortality rate much higher than the other men in the study (56).
Low-fat/cholesterol diets, therefore, are not healthier for people. Studies have shown repeatedly that such diets are associated with depression, cancer, psychological problems, fatigue, violence and suicide (57). Women with lower serum cholesterol live shorter lives than women with higher levels (58). Similar things have been found in men (59).
Children on low-fat and/or vegan diets can suffer from growth problems, failure to thrive, and learning disabilities (60). Despite this, sources from Dr Benjamin Spock to the American Heart Association recommend low-fat diets for children! One can only lament the fate of those unfortunate youngsters who will be raised by unknowing parents taken in by such genocidal misinformation.
There are many health benefits to saturated fats, depending on the fat in question. Coconut oil, for example, is rich in lauric acid, a potent antifungal and antimicrobial substance. Coconut also contains appreciable amounts of caprylic acid, also an effective antifungal (61). Butter from free-range cows is rich in trace minerals, especially selenium, as well as all of the fat-soluble vitamins and beneficial fatty acids that protect against cancer and fungal infections (62).
In fact, the body needs saturated fats in order to properly utilize essential fatty acids (63). Saturated fats also lower the blood levels of the artery-damaging lipoprotein (a) (64); are needed for proper calcium utilization in the bones (65); stimulate the immune system (66); are the preferred food for the heart and other vital organs (67); and, along with cholesterol, add structural stability to the cell and intestinal wall (68). They are excellent for cooking, as they are chemically stable and do not break down under heat, unlike polyunsaturated vegetable oils. Omitting them from one's diet, then, is ill-advised.
With respect to atherosclerosis, it is always claimed that vegetarians have much lower rates of this condition than meat eaters. The International Atherosclerosis Project of 1968, however, which examined over 20,000 corpses from several countries, concluded that vegetarians had just as much atherosclerosis as meat eaters (69). Other population studies have revealed similar data. (70) This is because atherosclerosis is largely unrelated to diet; it is a consequence of aging. There are things which can accelerate the atherosclerotic process such as excessive free radical damage to the arteries from antioxidant depletion (caused by such things as smoking, poor diet, excess polyunsaturated fatty acids in the diet, various nutritional deficiencies, drugs, etc), but this is to be distinguished from the fatty-streaking and hardening of arteries that occurs in all peoples over time.
It also does not appear that vegetarian diets protect against heart disease. A study on vegans in 1970 showed that female vegans had higher rates of death from heart disease than non-vegan females (71). A recent study showed that Indians, despite being vegetarians, have very high rates of coronary artery disease (72). High-carbohydrate/low-fat diets (which is what vegetarian diets are) can also place one at a greater risk for heart disease, diabetes, and cancer due to their hyperinsulemic effects on the body (73). Recent studies have also shown that vegetarians have higher homocysteine levels in their blood (74). Homocysteine is a known cause of heart disease. Lastly, low-fat/cholesterol diets, generally favored to either prevent or treat heart disease, do neither and may actually increase certain risk factors for this condition (75).
Studies which conclude that vegetarians are at a lower risk for heart disease are typically based on the phony markers of lower saturated fat intake, lower serum cholesterol levels and HDL/LDL ratios. Since vegetarians tend to eat less saturated fat and usually have lower serum cholesterol levels, it is concluded that they are at less risk for heart disease. Once one realizes that these measurements are not accurate predictors of proneness to heart disease, however, the supposed protection of vegetarianism melts away (76).
It should always be remembered that a number of things factor into a person getting heart disease or cancer. Instead of focusing on the phony issues of saturated fat, dietary cholesterol, and meat-eating, people should pay more attention to other more likely factors.
These would be trans-fatty acids, excessive polyunsaturated fat intake, excessive sugar intake, excessive carbohydrate intake, smoking, certain vitamin and mineral deficiencies, and obesity. These things were all conspicuously absent in the healthy traditional peoples that Dr. Price studied.
Quelle Literaturverweise dort.
Hervorherbungen durch mich.
Wenn du wegen deiner "genetisch bedingt" hohen Cholesterinwerte Vegetarier sein solltest, würde ich das überdenken. Abgesehen davon...ich würde es generell überdenken
Noch mehr zu den Mythen rund ums Cholesterin hier.
Geändert von pinkpoison (18.01.2014 um 00:19 Uhr).
hat jemand von euch Erfarungen mit der Liebscher & Bracht Methode gemacht? Kann das beim Piriformis Sydrom hilfreich sein? http://www.lnb-schmerztherapie.de
hat jemand von euch Erfarungen mit der Liebscher & Bracht Methode gemacht? Kann das beim Piriformis Sydrom hilfreich sein? http://www.lnb-schmerztherapie.de
Viele Grüße
Julia
Da würd ich dann doch noch vorher zum physio gehen, trotz mM das hier auch der Physio nicht viel helfen kann!!
Das wirkt als wolle man das Rad neu erfinden, das ist aber nicht!
Übungen verordnet auch der Physio, und wir hier sind wohl keine "Patienten" welche placebo Schmerzen haben.......
hat jemand von euch Erfarungen mit der Liebscher & Bracht Methode gemacht? Kann das beim Piriformis Sydrom hilfreich sein? http://www.lnb-schmerztherapie.de
Viele Grüße
Julia
Lies dir die Kritiken zu ihrem Buch "Der Schmerzcode" bei Amazon mal durch, dann weißt du was die Uhr geschlagen hat. Schamlose Abzocke mit einer Amethode, die andere erfunden haben, aber ansonsten sicher besser als alles, was die Orthopädie zu bieten hat.
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