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FloRida82 06.05.2025 09:05

Ihr kennt doch sicherlich Joel Filliol's 21 Swim Tipps?

Meik 06.05.2025 09:15

Zitat:

Zitat von FloRida82 (Beitrag 1780691)
Ihr kennt doch sicherlich Joel Filliol's 21 Swim Tipps?

:confused:

Ich kenne nur Meiks 21 Schwimmtipps:
1) Lern Schwimmen und lass die Hilfsmittel weg
2) Lern Schwimmen und lass die Hilfsmittel weg
...
21) Lern Schwimmen und lass die Hilfsmittel weg

:Lachanfall:

Chmiel2015 06.05.2025 09:19

So weit so gut Leute. Aber den TE habt ihr verloren :Cheese:

sabine-g 06.05.2025 09:37

Zitat:

Zitat von FloRida82 (Beitrag 1780691)
Ihr kennt doch sicherlich Joel Filliol's 21 Swim Tipps?

ich kenn nur Joe Kelly und der kann nicht besonders gut schwimmen

keko# 06.05.2025 09:41

Zitat:

Zitat von Chmiel2015 (Beitrag 1780695)
So weit so gut Leute. Aber den TE habt ihr verloren :Cheese:

Ich sage mal so: bei einem Wiedereinstieg ist es völlig wumpe, was man tut. Einfach 3 oder 4 Wochen schwimmen zu was man gerade Lust hat.

:Blumen:

Adept 06.05.2025 09:58

Gebe Keko Recht, für die erste Zeit einfach schwimmen und langsam steigern.

Zum eigentlichen Plan:

Zitat:

Zitat von Waschbär (Beitrag 1780535)
Verletzungsbedingt war ich im Oktober das letzte mal im Wasser. Mit Hilfe der KI habe ich mir einen leichten Plan für den Wiedereinstieg erstellt.

Könnte einer von euch vielleicht mal drüber schauen und hat vielleicht noch Tipps für mich?


Warm up
100 m Freistil (leicht)
100 m nur Arme mit Pullbuoy (locker)
(Pause: Lap-Taste drücken)

Catch-Up-Drill mit Pullbuoy
Technikteil (jeweils 50 m, 4 Wiederholungen)
Einarmig (abwechselnd) mit Pullbuoy
Kraul normal mit Pullbuoy (Fokus auf Technik)
Kraul mit Pullbuoy + Paddles (ruhig)
(Pause: 20–30 Sekunden zwischen den 50ern)

Hauptsatz
(6 × 100 m)
1–3: 100 m Freistil mit Pullbuoy & Paddles (Kraftfokus)
(Pause: ca. 20 Sek. nach jedem)
4–6: 100 m Freistil nur Pullbuoy (Technikfokus)
(Pause: ca. 20 Sek. nach jedem)

Cool down
100 m Freistil locker
100 m beliebiger Stil (z.B. Rücken/Brust)
(Pause: Lap-Taste)

Hast du auch der KI mitgeteilt, was du für eine Verletzung hattest und wie weit sie auskuriert ist? Und auch das Ziel des Plans?

Könnte wichtig sein, besonders wenn du mit Paddles auf Kraft schwimmen sollst, du aber zum Beispiel eine Verletzung in Schulter/Ellenbogen hast.

FloRida82 06.05.2025 10:31

Zitat:

Zitat von keko# (Beitrag 1780697)
Ich sage mal so: bei einem Wiedereinstieg ist es völlig wumpe, was man tut. Einfach 3 oder 4 Wochen schwimmen zu was man gerade Lust hat.

:Blumen:

Habe ich doch auch geschrieben (weiter vorn).

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The Top 20 Rules for Faster Triathlon Swimming

1. Conditioning trumps drills. Technique matters, but the way most athletes try to improve technique doesn't work. Get fitter, and your ability to hold good technique improves. It takes a lot of work to develop aerobic conditioning in your upper body. If you think you are already swimming a lot but are not improving, swim more and keep at it. There are no shortcuts.

2. Traditional drills don't work. The type of drills and the way that most triathletes do them don't actually have any material effect on swimming technique.

3. Swim more often. Frequency is the best way to improve your swimming. Also see rule #4

4. Do longer main sets. You can't expect to swim fast and be fresh on the bike if you rarely do main sets with the same or higher volume and pace than you expect in the race. For short course these should be at least 2km, for IM 4km, or more. And that looks like 20-50x100, not many short broken sets adding up to 2-5km.

5. Don't over think it. Don't under think it. Be engaged with what you are doing in the water, and use tools to help get a better feel for the water. But don't over think every stroke, and suffer from paralysis by analysis. Swimming fast is about rhythm and flow, when good technique becomes automatic.

6. Increased swim fitness translates to the bike and run. Being able to swim harder, starting the bike both fresher and with faster riders is how that works.

7. Deep swim fitness allows you to swim on the rivet. See rule #6. Most triathletes don't know how to really swim hard for the duration.

8. Include some quality in every swim. If you are swimming less than 5x per week, having easy swims is a waste of time. Always include quality, from band, to paddles, to sprints, in every swim.

9. Don't count strokes. See rule #2. The objective is to get faster, not take fewer strokes.

10. Learn now to use your kick but don't spend a lot of time with kick sets. Kicking is about stroke control and body position, not propulsion for triathlon. Kick fitness doesn't matter.

11. Use a band frequently. The best swimming drill there is. Do short reps with lots of rest at first. Both propulsion and body position will improve.

12. Use paddles with awareness of engaging lats. Paddles are primarily a technical tool to take more strokes with better mechanics, the result of which is learning how to use your prime swimming movers: your lats.

13. Keep head low on breathing and in open water. Head down, feet up. It's a common body position error.

14. Do many short repetitions for stroke quality. It takes fitness to swim with good technique for long durations. Start shorter, and swim faster. 50x50 works wonders. Don't have time to do a 2500m main set? Drop the warm up and warm down.

15. Learn to swim with a higher stroke rate. This takes conditioning. It will pay off on race day, and particularly anytime swimming in a group and in rough conditions.

16. If you need to write your swim session down on the white board or paper, it's too complicated. Keep it simple.

17. Find a good masters programme. Long main sets is a good sign. Swim with others to challenge yourself. Good programmes are the exception rather than the norm, unfortunately.

18. Don't use swim tools as a crutch. Paddles and bull buoys are tools with specific uses. Don't reach for them out of simple laziness, because the set is hard.

19. Do use swim tools when you are very fatigued, and will otherwise swim with poor quality. See Rule #18.

20. Dry land and gym can help swimming for some via improved neuromuscular recruitment. Use body weight and tubing not machines.

Bonus: Love swimming if you want to get faster. Embrace the process of getting faster in the water. Chlorine sweat is a good thing.

Follow the rules above to swim faster, and ultimately to be a faster triathlete. Enjoy.

EDIT:

#21 Repetition is your friend. Variety is for the weak minded, and interferes with the learning process. Repetition, Repetition, Repetition.


https://joelfilliol.blogspot.com/201...log-is-is.html

Meik 06.05.2025 10:51

Zitat:

Zitat von FloRida82 (Beitrag 1780704)
18. Don't use swim tools as a crutch. Paddles and bull buoys are tools with specific uses. Don't reach for them out of simple laziness, because the set is hard.

19. Do use swim tools when you are very fatigued, and will otherwise swim with poor quality. See Rule #18.

Sag ich doch. ;)


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